Comments on: Made in Italy at Chinese prices [Spiegel Online] http://www.experientia.com/blog/made-in-italy-at-chinese-prices/ Daily insights on user experience, experience design and people-centred innovation Thu, 26 Jan 2012 19:46:09 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Experientia http://www.experientia.com/blog/made-in-italy-at-chinese-prices/comment-page-1/#comment-3213 Experientia Sun, 10 Sep 2006 09:20:27 +0000 http://www.experientia.com/blog/made-in-italy-at-chinese-prices/#comment-3213 Thanks Cindy for your comments. My reflection was more about a rapidly changing Europe, and a population that is mostly unprepared for these changes, than about the Chinese immigration as such (which as the article points out has its own social and legal problems). Indeed, what kind of innovation are we talking about? Thanks Cindy for your comments. My reflection was more about a rapidly changing Europe, and a population that is mostly unprepared for these changes, than about the Chinese immigration as such (which as the article points out has its own social and legal problems). Indeed, what kind of innovation are we talking about?

]]> By: cindy http://www.experientia.com/blog/made-in-italy-at-chinese-prices/comment-page-1/#comment-3212 cindy Sat, 09 Sep 2006 23:39:13 +0000 http://www.experientia.com/blog/made-in-italy-at-chinese-prices/#comment-3212 There was a documentary on similar story aired in NL about 2 years ago before China signed WTO. Imagine there is 1.3 billions chinese in a country that has huge wealth distrubtions problems. If you understand the Chinese language, you will find that they are in Europe because here is where the money is good. They do not come to Europe because they like Europe. They are here for economical reasons. And if ONLY you understand Chinese ... you will hear a lot more things that you would not want to know. NOW, if they do come here because they like Europe, and therefore is willing to integrate with the local, would there be so much problems with the local? And why is there 25,000 Chinese in a place with 180,000 local populations? What kind of work permits these Chinese have that allow them to be there? Are they legal or most of them illegal? There are so many questions that need answers. We have to look at problems from both sides. If you speak Chinese you would understand there are so many illegal things that are going on within the Chinese communities. Not just in Italy, everywhere in Europe. Someone I know 'purchased' a residential permit issued by Greece. This same person paid a lumpsom to have that piece of paper, and then every month 100 euro to a certain contact in Greece for tax purpose. YET this person actually works in NL. The reason why this person is in NL? -- better money. During our conversations, Italy is a bad place to be. Low pay. What kind of innovation are we talking about? I also find that politicians are using aging as an excuse for their own inabilities to resolve the problems. These politicians should understand what it means to bring in thousands of inhabitants to their country with language, cultures, life-style etc. differences. There was a documentary on similar story aired in NL about 2 years ago before China signed WTO.

Imagine there is 1.3 billions chinese in a country that has huge wealth distrubtions problems. If you understand the Chinese language, you will find that they are in Europe because here is where the money is good. They do not come to Europe because they like Europe. They are here for economical reasons. And if ONLY you understand Chinese … you will hear a lot more things that you would not want to know.

NOW, if they do come here because they like Europe, and therefore is willing to integrate with the local, would there be so much problems with the local? And why is there 25,000 Chinese in a place with 180,000 local populations? What kind of work permits these Chinese have that allow them to be there? Are they legal or most of them illegal? There are so many questions that need answers.

We have to look at problems from both sides. If you speak Chinese you would understand there are so many illegal things that are going on within the Chinese communities. Not just in Italy, everywhere in Europe. Someone I know ‘purchased’ a residential permit issued by Greece. This same person paid a lumpsom to have that piece of paper, and then every month 100 euro to a certain contact in Greece for tax purpose. YET this person actually works in NL. The reason why this person is in NL? — better money. During our conversations, Italy is a bad place to be. Low pay.

What kind of innovation are we talking about? I also find that politicians are using aging as an excuse for their own inabilities to resolve the problems. These politicians should understand what it means to bring in thousands of inhabitants to their country with language, cultures, life-style etc. differences.

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